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August 10th 2008 00:02
Ok you Christians please read this part very carefully. I do NOT mean to offend you by any means. I am simply throwing out some observations I have made about why some Christians hate gays.
First about my own beliefs. I am agnostic but often with Christian leanings. I enjoy listening to Gospel Music (the old stuff- Hymns) and even attend a Baptist Church from time to time. The main reason I am not a full on believer is the science of the matter. I envy you your faith, I really do.
And I hope nobody who is undecided in their faith reads this and says screw it, there is no God. I am a not very bright hack writer who is likely as not, full of crap. So take what I say with a grain of salt.
I have often discussed Gays and Christians with some of my religious friends. They all seem to think people choose to be gay and could be straight if they wanted to. Ok that is simply not true, and most people would agree with that. Who in the heck would want to be Gay and put up with the abuse they have had to?
A big thing in the Bible is that God created all people. Since some Christians are biased against Homosexuals, then they can’t accept that God created a gay person. Since they think God hates gays, they can’t see him creating one.
This would cast doubt on their Faith in some cases. If God says gay is bad, and he creates everyone, then God may not exist. They would much rather believe somebody would choose to be gay and demean them.
Another friend of mine who I respect a great deal, does not want Gay Marriage to be legal. His reasoning is that he does not want homosexuals being condoned and having it taught in school that it is ok to be gay. I believe he fears that saying it ok may make kids come out as being gay.
I believe people are gay period, either they are, or they are not. I don’t think making Gay Marriage legal will make anybody gay who wasn’t going to already be. And I really feel sorry for two of my friends who happen to be gay, one of each gender. Both are religious and struggle to find acceptance in a Church. I guess the Love Thy Neighbor part of the Bible is the most ignored section.
And once again I really do not mean to offend but that is my opinion on the matter. Thanks for reading this post on Politicalcertainty.com.
First about my own beliefs. I am agnostic but often with Christian leanings. I enjoy listening to Gospel Music (the old stuff- Hymns) and even attend a Baptist Church from time to time. The main reason I am not a full on believer is the science of the matter. I envy you your faith, I really do.
And I hope nobody who is undecided in their faith reads this and says screw it, there is no God. I am a not very bright hack writer who is likely as not, full of crap. So take what I say with a grain of salt.
I have often discussed Gays and Christians with some of my religious friends. They all seem to think people choose to be gay and could be straight if they wanted to. Ok that is simply not true, and most people would agree with that. Who in the heck would want to be Gay and put up with the abuse they have had to?
A big thing in the Bible is that God created all people. Since some Christians are biased against Homosexuals, then they can’t accept that God created a gay person. Since they think God hates gays, they can’t see him creating one.
This would cast doubt on their Faith in some cases. If God says gay is bad, and he creates everyone, then God may not exist. They would much rather believe somebody would choose to be gay and demean them.
Another friend of mine who I respect a great deal, does not want Gay Marriage to be legal. His reasoning is that he does not want homosexuals being condoned and having it taught in school that it is ok to be gay. I believe he fears that saying it ok may make kids come out as being gay.
I believe people are gay period, either they are, or they are not. I don’t think making Gay Marriage legal will make anybody gay who wasn’t going to already be. And I really feel sorry for two of my friends who happen to be gay, one of each gender. Both are religious and struggle to find acceptance in a Church. I guess the Love Thy Neighbor part of the Bible is the most ignored section.
And once again I really do not mean to offend but that is my opinion on the matter. Thanks for reading this post on Politicalcertainty.com.
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Comment by Edward 4
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I am not gay. But I do have a handful of friends that are gay. And they're honestly some of the best people I know.
Comment by postmoderncritic
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I believe I choose to be attracted to both men and women, because of the insights into human nature it leads to. Being attracted to women means that I think outside the norm when it comes to myself, attraction and relationships, diversifies my sense of identity and leads me to reinvent my world on a more regular basis. I am attracted to men also, because I can appreciate both sexes equally, and don't wish to limit who or what I can be sexually attracted to. I see people, not gender. I reserve very positive connotations for everything 'gay' and can honestly tell you that I would not choose to be straight.
People who are afraid of homosexuals are usually afraid of the part of themselves that is homosexual - read this.
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I think gay marriage is ok, they have the right to be happy or screw up just like the rest of us who get married.
To quote my friend Wally on marriage. "Just find a woman you hate and give her your car, money and house" and that saves lots of time.
Comment by Anonymous
I don't think your problems rest with whether or not some Christians have problems with non-celibate homosexuals or "gay marriage." If you had a better grasp of (commonly held) Christian teachings on moral theology and other doctrines, you might not even be giving this topic the light of day.
It's okay to be confused. It's okay to wonder "What's happening and why is a loving God allowing such and such thing to happen," and wrestle with the spiritual questions. One of the greatest minds in Church history, St. Augustine, was the devil's own; a real hell-raiser and was a completel hedonist and fathered a son out of wedlock. But who can say when we look back on his life that it's out of the realm of possibilities for an unseen God to intervene and turn peoples' lives around for good purposes?
He didn't fully believe in God as most Christians know of Him. It took a voice in a garden saying "tolle legge," -- take up and read. (It lead him to a passage in the Bible telling him to put the old lifestyle of the orgies, partying around in the past. I know that's a lot to think about and I can hear you laughing because I did the same.
I'm not trying to come across "preachy" to anyone. But spiritual ambiguity often leads to a lot of other ambiguities and they're no joy to deal with. I know because I've been there, and I'll hardly consider myself a saintly person.
Hey, just think of how much better you'll feel if you leave the business of carrying a fifty lbs sack of social and moral ambiguities to Obama and Archbishop Williams of the rapidly crumbling chapel of east Anglia.
C'mon. You've gotta be laughing now!
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Comment by The wonderful Peter Yang
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I mean, there aren't any culture within this world that ever consider homosexuality to be normal, but most of these cultures do not treat them with the stereotype we see in western culture.
I mean, I am not trying to be offensive here, but here in the west, we have one of the world's worst conservative culture, there is.
A lot of the concepts within our conservative culture will be consider to be babaric in the rest of the world. For example, within our conservative culture we fought war for religion, we believe in king is god's given right etc, most of these ideas will be consider to be wrong within most other conservaitve culture (King is god's given right, is a concept most other culture within the world see to be completely babaric and uncivilize. They believe the king is merely a public servent and the people are quick to reomove a king, who won't work in public interest, from office.)
Unfortunatly our very sick, untolerant and radical conservative culture still have a great influence over our society and when gay people come into the picture, people get confuse and they gone from been against the concept of homosexuality to stereolize all people who have the charactiristic of homosexuality and when religion come into the picutre things just get even more complicated.
I mean, think about it there are plenty of other sins within the bible, but they are not all been treated with the same stereotype as the gay people.
Personally, I am not in favor of homosexuality either, but I am not going to treat them stereotypically, either. I got a few friends that are gay, but I do not treat them as if they are second class citizens, I just treat them like everybody else.
After all, non of god's creation are perfect, non of us are perfect. As a society we have tolerated a lot of different people's non perfection, as long as they are not evil, but homosexuality is not been tolerated. Why?
Because the question here today is not whether homosexualtiy is a sin or not. (Face it, we are all sinners.) But merely a case where people use the bible as an excuse to justify their alliance with our problamatic conservative culture. To be more precise they use religion as an excuse to treat people with homosexual charactiristic, stereotypically. That is all.
PS: I do not mean to make our western conservative culture look so bad, but when you really analysis it and compare it with most other conservative culture, you will see that, while democracy is the glory of our western civilization, our conservative culture on the other hand, is the shame of our western civilization. ("King is god's given right" especially, is just plan barbaric when we put that concept into comparison, with other conservative cultures.)
Comment by D. Armenta
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Peter Yang, there were lots of cultures that considered homosexuality to be a normal aspect of humanity; ancient Greeks, Spartans, urban areas of feudal Japan, many indigenous tribes of North America--to name just a few.
Now to repond to the post, I'm not quite sure why:
1) People feel the need to stick their noses into other peoples' sex lives or pass judgment on other people based on their sex lives, as long as it is not affecting them personally,
and
2) People feel the need to broadcast their sex lives/preferences to all and sundry, even when nobody asks.
Sex is a very personal thing, and should be kept that way.
In my humble opinion.
Christians, along with many many other human beings of many other religions, tend to interpret certain biblical quotes to suit their own personal beliefs.
Comment by The wonderful Peter Yang
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And by the way, there are christians in other cultures as well, including Asia and even the middle east. They also believe homosexuality is a sin, but you do not see them treating gay people in the same abusive manner as we see in the west, (On a few occasion where it did happen, the law, the media and the churches in Asia themselves, hammer these people like a tone of brick. In Asia especially, stereolyization is a consider to be one of the most ultimate evil and the law do not tolerate it lightly.)
Comment by Cheryl J
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Homosexuality is not a choice, it is not conditioning and it can not be 'fixed', nor does it need to be. Yes, Love Thy Neighbour must one of the most ignored parts of the bible.
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Comment by Jonathan Biviano
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First of all, anybody that "hates gays" is not acting Christian. The Bible clearly says to love everybody. Christ hated the sins of the woman at the well, but clearly loved the woman. He loved the prostitute about to be stoned, but hated her sin. He asked God to forgive his crucifiers because he loved them, when they were obviously ACTING evilly by getting him killed.
Second, it is the act of homosexuality that Christians consider a sin. But we are all sinners. Because our culture and many others have attempted, somewhat successfully, to diminish the "strength" of "private" sins, like sex outside of marriage, the weakness in humans to go against God's principles in these areas is diminished.
Finally, homosexuality is a sin some people are more vulnerable to, like others are more vulnerable to alcoholism or drug abuse, or others to theft. Think about yourself: you agree that it's wrong to murder, I assume, yet every one of us in our lifetime will be mad enough at somebody to murder them, even if only for half a second. What keeps us from doing it? Awareness that it's wrong and there will be consequences.
My father decided to be gay when I was 14 and the oldest of six children. I won't go into what led him down that path, but I have seen through his life and the people he's associated with the consequences of those choices, both in pain and missed joy.
It's a Christian's job to love everybody, which doesn't mean getting drunk with them. It means caring for them and the overall quality of their lives.
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I'm sure it must have been very hard for your entire family. If gay people felt that they were accepted then few people would marry and have children with the opposite sex and fight their true nature. But, that said, many people like yourself and others I know would never have been born so it is double edged. I'm sorry that you most likely went through a very painful time.
I don't however agree that people are 'susceptible' to gayness in the same way as alcoholism or drug addiction. People are born gay, some just don't admit it to themselves or others until they are much older due to lack of tolerance within religion and society.
Cheryl J
Comment by D. Armenta
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In the cultures I mentioned above where homosexuality was considered to be a normal aspect of some human beings, many hurtful situations were avoided because of that attitude, including disillusioned children of gay parents, suicides due to being socially unaccepted or harassed, and self-destructive lifestyles caused by a deep sense of guilt.
Why is this such a big issue with Christians, Jonathan? Why does it concern them so? I'm asking you because I've seen some of your comments on other blogs and you appear to be a rational, non-extremist sort of person.
Comment by A Gay Christian
and btw, you can never 'choose' to be gay...it's just 'love' that binds you in..
Comment by Anonymous
If being gay is a choice, then five year old's know the difference between right and wrong and if they commit a crime they should be prosecuted the same as a 21 year old, don't you agree? I mean can you have you cake and eat it too?
Comment by DeAnne
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First, let me say that I am a Christian, and I DO NOT hate homosexuals. On the point of people being born "gay' or "straight" - I'm torn. I've read the research and I know that many people have a natural (meaning they were born with it) attraction to people of the same sex, or to both sexes. I have friends, both male and female, who are homosexual and/or bi-sexual. Does that mean it is ok? I'm not the one to answer that - that is a personal dilemma that each person has to sort out for him or herself.
Something to consider, though, is that some people also are attracted sexually to children. Does that make pedophilia acceptable? (There are some who will say "yes.")
Just because something "feels" natural, doesn't necessarily make it "acceptable" or "allowable." I'm not saying that homosexuality should be outlawed, or anything, but I'm trying to illustrate the point about sin. According to the Bible, homosexual behavior is sinful. So is adultery. As Christians, we should not judge a person - that's God's job. We should not judge someone because of his or her sexual preferences - as long as they don't hurt anyone.
When a Christian (or anyone) says something like "hate the sin, not the sinner," you can't say that he or she is still showing hatred toward the person who sins, because it is his or her "natural" desire that is considered sinful.
I'm really having a hard time making the point I want to make. (I guess this topic is even more difficult than I thought.) Anyway - not all Christians hate "gays." And, while I don't think that a homosexual should be punished for his or her behavior, (as a pedophile should,) I do think that it is possible - and not necessarily wrong or harmful - to repress sinful desires of all kinds. Whether or not to repress those desires (when they don't harm anyone else) is entirely up to the individual, and not for the rest of us to judge.
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Comment by Anonymous
God did not write the Bible and therefore God did not say homosexuality was a sin, man did. I listen to God, not man. Jesus never condemned anyone and his words are written in red in the Bible. Jesus was a man, but he was God too. More people credit man in the Bible than God leaving him as less than man.
God created me gay and he does not put me down about it or say it is sinful, but man does and I follow the teachings of no man, only god.