Jim Stillman
Randy InmanIs Obama a Communist?
July 7th 2008 16:30
As the Left of the Democratic Party heads directly towards communism without passing go, Barak Obama is leading the charge. My big problem with communism is that it does not work and would really tank in America.
Communism is all about big government and little you. The government would control everything and mess it up worse than it is now. You see what a non communist system did to Social Security. Imagine the government controlling everything and screwing it up as well.
There would be food riots in the streets of America because we won’t take standing in line for crappy food like the Soviets had to do. Human nature is what keeps communism from working. If people won’t get ahead no matter what they do, then they won’t be innovative hard workers. But enough of my short lecture on communism, I will save the rest for a future post.
Back to the Communist Obama, this article on Aim.org is a good place to start. It mentions one of his mentors Frank Marshall Davis, and his communist ties. Obama also apparently thinks highly of communist and terrorist Che Guevara. Enough so that there is a photo of Guevara and a Cuban flag hanging in his Houston campaign office. This site has a video of this as well as another showing Obama not holding his hand over his heart during the playing of the National Anthem.
Obama’s friendship with Bill Ayers an admitted American domestic terrorist does not put him in good light either. Go to the website of the Communist Party USA and search for Obama, they really love him there. Obama’s willingness to meet with communist Cuban leaders also points to his true colors.
Communism is all about big government and little you. The government would control everything and mess it up worse than it is now. You see what a non communist system did to Social Security. Imagine the government controlling everything and screwing it up as well.
There would be food riots in the streets of America because we won’t take standing in line for crappy food like the Soviets had to do. Human nature is what keeps communism from working. If people won’t get ahead no matter what they do, then they won’t be innovative hard workers. But enough of my short lecture on communism, I will save the rest for a future post.
Back to the Communist Obama, this article on Aim.org is a good place to start. It mentions one of his mentors Frank Marshall Davis, and his communist ties. Obama also apparently thinks highly of communist and terrorist Che Guevara. Enough so that there is a photo of Guevara and a Cuban flag hanging in his Houston campaign office. This site has a video of this as well as another showing Obama not holding his hand over his heart during the playing of the National Anthem.
Obama’s friendship with Bill Ayers an admitted American domestic terrorist does not put him in good light either. Go to the website of the Communist Party USA and search for Obama, they really love him there. Obama’s willingness to meet with communist Cuban leaders also points to his true colors.
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Comment by Jim Stillman
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Back in the day, whenever a politician or other public person had a economic or social different from the norm or politically correct or the personal viewpoint of the listener, that person who would be labeled “Nazi” if it were in the 1940’s or “Communist” if in the succeeding years. Terms such as “socialist” or similar were considered too subtle and hardly insulting enough.
Before I would believe that Senator were a Communist agent or a real danger to the United States, I would need a lot more proof than suggestions that he has associated with suspicious people. So far, I haven’t seen such.
I see a Barack Obama who could have transformed a brilliant performance at law school into a very lucrative law practice in a Wall Street law firm. Instead, he returned to Chicago and devoted his efforts to programs that some may feel wasteful, or worse, but certainly not anti-American.
We may and do disagree on the degree of governmental assistance to the poor, whether the role of private charities, religious or secular, should be enhanced. But essentially, Senators McCain and Obama inhabit the middle and moderate political thought, each slightly to the left or right.
But Senator Obama isn’t a communist; Senator McCain isn’t a fascist. I have a serious problem with the GOP’s wishes as to appointments to the Supreme Court. But to suggest that either is bent on the destruction of this country is, in my opinion, silly.
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Now if I only knew for a certainty the nature and danger of Socialism. . .
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The failings of a big government are, well, unavoidable, it would seem. The USA has a population of, what?, 200 million? There will always be a massive separation between the people and the politicians.
I don't see the problem with a polician being in favour of communism. Is this the 50s?
Comment by KylieW
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In this day and age for a start, does it even matter that Barak may possibly believe that there are aspects of communism that may actually make sense (even though your 'proof' seems pretty thin)?
We all know there's worse things than being a Communist..........he could be George W. Bush!
Comment by RubySoho
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Besides which, Communism is actually the opposite of "Big Government". Stalinism and Maoism is not even true Marixsm. Marxism has not ever been put into practice. The fact that the writer does not know this is further proof of how little about his own countries politics he knows. I am not even going to pretend to debate this issue. It's a waste of time. Just repeating something over and over does not make it true. And engaging in a debate over whether Obama is a Communist or not gives the argument a credence it does not deserve.
Honestly, that would be like calling Kevin Rudd a Communist. can you imagine? You'd be laughed out of the country.
Comment by Janet Collins
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Please tell me you're joking! I can't believe that you could really in all seriousness believe such a thing.
Janet
Comment by postmoderncritic
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Hint: To be a Communist you actually have to support Communist theory, and say things like 'I believe in a one-party state'. I don't see Obama campaigning for a revolution, do you? If he's secretly a Communist then you don't have to worry - if he wants to win the majority of the vote he'll keep his 'affiliation' to himself (i.e. it's non-existant).
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McCain is an alien.
Hillary Clinton is a cyborg.
George Bush is a genius.
Comment by Josie
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There is a great difference between everyone BEING equal and everyone being CREATED equal. All the constitution gaurantees is that everyone is CREATED equal- what he or she decides to do past that point is what liberty is all about.
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Heck before I educated myself I even voted for Bill Clinton one election. Dang Lib and her name was even Libby lol. brain washed me over a period of months.
Comment by RubySoho
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This is not a defense of Obama, I just think everyone should come from a position of truth instead of gossip and slander. yes, agreement is boring, but let''s disagree on actual issues, instead of fabricating them.
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Is there a functional difference between being equal and being created equal?
Comment by Lester Caudill
They seek to destroy the second amendment, they support gay marriage, they support murder of unborn children, they are anti-Christian, and the list goes on.
You support Pro-Choice which means Pro-Abortion, but you are Anti-Choice when it comes to someone's right to uphold their beliefs, that makes you a hypocrite.
Maybe you are the one that doesn't know better, and are unwilling to learn, I once myself was liberal, but I came to my senses and grew up.
You don't even live in the US why do you support Obama, and what makes you and expert on US politics? Ignorance is bliss so have a ball Rudysoho.
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I don't think Obama is a communist. His votes lean very far left for sure, but he is too much of a fat cat to be a real socialist. He's a politician. One I greatly disagree with, but a politician none the less.
Comment by Natalie 2
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Also, the video of Obama not holding his hand over his heart has been debunked and explained a million times. The very video you are referring to has already been proven to have been released by a political action committe notorious for skewing facts.
I'm not trying to pick a fight. I just took exception to your rebuttal that, "While of course my opinions are pretty much facts, I do call them opinions. Thus I wouldn’t call that slander." The thing is Randy, these weren't your original ideas, so I'm not saying you were lying, what I'm saying is that you didn't do any fact checking. This stuff can all be easily Googled and researched, but instead people instantly believe what they are told, and spread it around.
Also, to Lester. Are you aware that Obama supports the 2nd ammendment, does not support gay marriage, and is a Christian, etc? Barack Obama was a constitutional law professor, and has done very wonderful things for people all of his life. And these slanderous accusations fly around about him. All the while, he rises above it, and never sinks so low as to try to comment on other people's personal lives, or beliefs. Unlike certain people who claim to be an authority on "Conservative Christian Views" and then say things to their fellow human beings like, "Ignorance is bliss so have a ball Rudysoho".
I am a Christian myself, and I was taught that there would be times in my life that I would enounter those that use the word Christianity to defend their hate. It's true. I run into it all the time.
Comment by Lester Caudill
Oh and if he such a great God fearing man why did he set in a church were his pastor used God's name in vain to curse America, he attend that church for twenty years, and only when it was politically expedient he disavowed the church and the pastor yeah a real great Christian. Really great solid Christian that supports hate.
And if you are such a good Christian why do you support some one that for twenty years supported that kind of hate and racism, so don't start judging me you need to fix your problems first.
Comment by Natalie 2
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That's what gets me. How many people out there seem to think they have a claim over the faith lives of others. As though somehow they are qualified to know what is in someone else's heart.
Barck Obama spoke to Second Amendment rights in debates, in private meetings with donors, etc. He also said publicly in several debates that he does not support gay marriage. He feels that the government has no business telling churches for example that they must recognize gay marriage. You can find this info on his website, and a million other places.
And, I also have to ask you...where do you get your information that he sends his surrogates out to slander his opponents? That sure sounds like speculation presented as fact.
Finally, I have been to plenty of Churches over the years, and I am often confronted with Pastors that say or do things that fly in the face of my beliefs. However, ultimately, I would never judge a man or a church by the pastor. I would not assume that the people who attended that church were all bad or that they were not Chrisitan. A Church is so much bigger that a pastor. It is fellowship, community, the Bible, reflection. Once again, judge not, lest ye....
Barack Obama spent years before he was even in the public eye rebuilding churches and communities in poverty stricken neighborhoods. I say his actions compliment his words.
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I am not endorsing his standpoint on Gay Marriage. Just wanted to clear that up. I was just trying to point out a falsehood that was being pointed out in this blog and its comments. It was a glaring example of the fact that research on Obama's views, good or bad, was not being done. Incidentally, Obama does believe that it should be up to the individual states to decide what to do about Gay Marriage. He is in favor of civil unions, primiarily because they do not infringe on the right of churches to retain their dogma, and still give same sex couples the ability to be joined legally. It's a church and state thing, and the primary stance of many Dem leaders. As opposed to the right wingers, who want a constitutional ammendment to ban it outright!
Randy, Trinity Church of Christ did not teach hate for 29 years. Stop listening to so much Hannity. Rev. Wright wasn't even the only pastor there. You saw a 1 minute series of sound bites and decided that you could sum up 3 decades of worship in that minute. Not fair, at all. I would imagine that someone could find 5 minutes of you talking about something that you aren't proud of. If it was looped over and over in front of people who don't know you personally, it would be a shame if they decided not only that they knew what you were all about, but also that you are a bad person.
Comment by RubySoho
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I don't know how you put up with it. I really don't.
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I know Obama isn't a Socialist. And I know Obama isn't. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind if he was more to the left.
Randy, you say any system that doesn't reward business and industry is sure to fail. Well, we are giving away everything we can to business and industry here in the Corporate States of America and the economy is on the brink of a big fall because of it. The idiocy of "supply side" and rewarding the rich at the expense of everyone else has failed miserably Of course, the dogmatic right will never admit it.
As for Obama's church - show me a church that doesn't preach hate, in one way or another.
Comment by Jim Stillman
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Lester is an exception; he is always in on the discussion, always taking me to task!
This is why I invited Randy to post here, to provide an alternative view and to open up honest and spirited discussion. I'm pleased that it has done so -- and I hope it continues.
Comment by RubySoho
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I understand your reasons for inviting Randy and applaud them. Yes, discussion is great. But what is the point of discussing issues that are patently false? Some things are just too ridiculous to entertain.
Is Obama a Communist? I mean, really. REALLY?
That's not a discussion topic, that's yet another example we can give you when you ask us why we make fun of Americans. Sorry, but it's true.
Comment by footballguru
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Ruby it seems to me you are more interested in insulting people than debating anything. I bet you go kick your neighbors dog every morning when you go out to get the paper. Just in case the dog voted for Bush.
Comment by Jeff Musall
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As for what Ruby said, she is right on - this is the kind of stupidity the corporate world wants us to be debating, idiocy about whether or not Obama is a Communist. You know, almost as many Americans think he is Muslim too. Not that being Muslim is any worse than being Christian - it's just wrong. Misinformation and idiot speak.
Obama could prove to be another Roosevelt, pushing back the corporate cronies and re-invigorating (and expanding) the New Deal, which led to the biggest economic expansion in history.
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I think most liberals are communists and I keep repeating it won't work here. Communist China was a mess until they started using more of a capitalist system in their business dealings.
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Well then maybe you should stick to football, guru.
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And I like informed right wing tool rather than uninformed. Honestly I was just telling Jim that I am being pushed farther to the right by comments on this site, than I was before I started here. So I guess I should thank Ruby for reminding me why I couldn't stand most Liberals before I started talking to Jim.
My opinons clearly don't match the majority here, and my posts are not researched as well as Jim's but I really do believe in what I am spouting, er posting. And I thank the majority of posters who may not agree with me, but who do not insult me either. That is the way debates should be done.
Comment by RubySoho
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Oh you don't say?
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If you had done the slightest bit of research on Obama, including even the most cursory glance at his website, you would see how far from being a Communist he really is and we wouldn't be having this silly conversation.
Being pushed further to the right? I honestly don't think that is possible. You can accuse me of insulting you if you like but I am not going to have pretend to have respect for a point of view that is based on fear and emotion and not facts or research. It does not matter how strongly you believe something if that belief is completely unfounded.
And yes, Jeff is correct, I was not telling you to shut up, only informing you that if you think most liberals are communists then you clearly have no clue about liberalism or communism and it is pointless talking to you.
Now if you actually had something to say about Obama and his stance on the issues, then we would all love to hear it, but calling Obama a communist is not a point of view. It's just a stupid diversion.
Comment by Randy Inman
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I work a 12-15 hour a day job, write for 2 (soon to be 3) blogs and write for a website. And until tonight I was working on a book (finished-except for rewrites and editing)
And in my point of view he IS a communist I don't HAVE to change my point of view to appease people. I AM open to other views however. But not because my views are dismissed in a very insulting way, at times.
Heck I have a post waiting about why conservative Christians are against gay marriage, and my take is something you Libs will like. But then i would be appearing to be a LiB myself. I am not conservative on all my views, but apparently what I write isn't interesting until i insult the great one by calling him a commie.
Comment by RubySoho
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I am not annoyed with you because I think you have insulted him, I am not here to jump to Obama's defence.. I am however, annoyed because you are saying something which is clearly untrue. Yes, his policies may be further to the left than you feel comfortable, but that does not make him a communist. It's common sense Randy. Why say something that is not true? Why?
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